BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!
So this is the sitch from my point of view (honestly i don't care what your's is... this is my blog and freedom of speech and all that)... I won't name names....everyone involved knows who they are, i don't need to name names...
So, it was supposedly started by a blog, a small thing, but apparently it caused a rucus. Don't know how really... it didn't really do anything, but people apparently had agendas.... So The blog was founded by some prophets... and they stumbled over a ring of blogs, and decided to comment on them. Strange this being the Web and comments being allowed (read the scarcasm) all that.
Fine and Dandy.
Here's where it starts to get a little messy. According to one group, lets call the them the red group (just to avoid confusion) these Prophets harassed them and caused strife in the group, allegedly writting attacks and people shutting down blogs because of the nasty comments, has caused their group to sunder and divide, because of accusations and well.... not to sure why... sorry this argument makes little sense to me, but hey nobody accuse me now, just because i'm not blaming them.... AH Spare me!!! Therefore for causing the strife, punishment is... not so clear. Some call for the Blog to be taken Down, others call for it to stay up as an example to others. Some demand an apology. All seem to ask for an identity, I guess it's something to scream when you're burning the efirgy... whatever...
Now I wouldn't have so much of an issue, or to better put it, I'd understand it a bit better if it weren't for a couple of issues.
First: I read the posts on the actual blog, (here it is, www.bookofthree.blogspot.com) I missed seeing the names.... or the discriptions of the situations, or any mention of the situation. What i saw was a welcome post, a discussion on Wicca and one on Buddhism. A little juvenile, but nothing calling for torches and blunt instruments of destruction. It seemed fairly light and called for discussion on the ideals presented, nothing personal or anything else.... It is in the comments on then that names get named and accusations are made, and rather then discussion on the ideals, demands are made for identities, the posters get insulted and criticized, and nothing that they ask for ON THEIR OWN BLOG gets addressed.... yet they get accused more then once of attacking others' blogs and saying hurtful things....
Things that make you go hmmmm.
Which brings me to my second issue: the comments on the other blogs
Read them, yes every single one, even Lynzy's (yes it existed who do you think was there when she saw it? MORON) Didn't see the attack... Guess i didn't have my conspiracy glasses on, got to work on that. I saw a bunch of silly poems and two comments showing support for something said previously on that blog. hmmm... no insults, no personal attacks.... BRING ON THE PITCHFORKS... Oh, but then, read the comments on the prophets blog, it was asked not to comment again on those blogs.... does anyone see a further comment? Is it that conspiracy thing again? damn it. they even apologized and explained one of the poems that was posted and said it wasn't meant to be hurtful.... WOW, sorry to say this but pathetic much? If someone wanted to insult you on your blog, I can think of easier ways to do it.... sorry, but i don't have time for the subtle crap.
Which brings me to my final issue.
My issue, is that people seem to think that the blog is to blame for the problems happening in their clique. That everything was hunky dory before, and the blog made people attack one and other, and people to abandon friendships over something that the blog did. Because some one made you read it, cause someone held a gun to your head sayin you had to read that blog.
WOW did I miss that memo.
No one made you read it, no one made you respond to it. You read what you wanted into it.
The issues were there before, and honestly, even if these prophets take it down this minute, they'll still be there. Don't make them your excuse. It's stupid, idiotic and really irresponsible. You all claim to be enlightened and educated but really I can't tell from what I've seen.... but enough on that rant.It almost doesn't matter anymore, we have to deal with the consequences
People, act like grown ups and not like the brainless dunderheads that you are right now. Take ownership of your actions. YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICES, don't blame a silly Blog. IF you abandon your friendship (yup that's what you did) you choose to do it. To be honest, it dissappointed me, and made me see that you aren't the person I thought you were and makes me wonder how we ever, ever were friends... I thought I had more taste or a better judge of character... but oh well lesson learned. You choose your bed, no you lay down in it .... and remember you brought this on yourself, and no one else is to blame. You didn't just loose one friend, you lost me too.!
As for another of you, you re-write history fairly well.... no not really. You stirred this up, maybe to help hide from the scandal you caused or some petty thing I really don't know.... Don't really understand your logic. Haven't in the past year. You just can't seem to let go of someone you deem is yours, and you can't admit that you ever did anything wrong or hurt someone. To be totally honest, you remind me of a certain mutual enemy from a few years back. You have the same memory issue. Well whatever, remember that Wiccan creed: whatever you put forth will come back on you threefold. (i think that's wiccan, maybe just fantasy, never claimed to be an expert.) Karma will bit back....
The rest of you.... aparently someone got hurt over a comment, but wow that person didn't say anything, but a hell of a lot of people did for her. She aparently just decided to give up her blog over one supposedly negative comment, and decide never to post again? WOW, i thought she had more balls then that....whoops, let those hateful comments come pooring in... The apology was made, and seemed sincere... but let's remember a few facts about blogs
1) they are on the web, therefore in public where anyone can read them
2) they sometimes have these things called comments, where people can respond and have a dialogue on-line... They don't have to have comments,
WOW so someone wrote one supposedly nasty comment... up-di-fucking-do. was there a response to it....no. was there anything at all.... strangely enough, no.... hmmm, it appears that someone gave up. (To be totally blunt, i won't read comments addressing this, only one person can say why they stopped posting,)
So... Lines are drawn, the teams are being choosen. I Choose, because this choice was forced by certain members of the group, to be with the person whose been a friend to me, who is making sense and seems to me to be the only choice i could make.... I choose, not the dark side, as some coined it , but choose Lynzy.... And nope , none of you have any clue about how dangerous and capable I am... you just go on and continue to underestimate me.... BIG MISTAKE.....
As for those Prophets, put those pitchforks down, leave them out of it They have as much right to post as anyone, even you... If you don't like this whole freedom of speech thing... Bring it on.
So endth the lesson
13 comments:
See Erin, here's my beef. It really doesn't apply as something hateful towards yourself, or towards lyns, or on any one side.
See, my beef is that blog was started by someone who said "Hey. You're all tired, bickering souls. Have some religion, it'll help all your problems. Also, I'm going to cryptically tell you the right path individually from the sidelines, anonymously".
Now, while I could have ignored it (which I'll say may have been a good idea) I didn't agree. So I posted in a calm manner, asking them not to talk down to my friends, and to come to us as an equal.
I got the equivalent of "oh, we're sorry you can't understand our poem." While yes, I could have stopped there, the whole lawrence, lyns, hackett thing blew up.
Now we've got a fight that can be solved by the prophets. Forget all the other stuff: This is something their identity can solve. Granted, yes, you are completely right: A lot of people have reacted really badly to an anonymous, random schmuck who probably lives in his parent's basement and likes pokemon.
But you also see it as harmless. My opinion is it isn't harmless. Any group that decides to call themselves prophets, spout religious answers and talk down to others isn't harmless. It's a cult, whether you want to say it or not.
And no, that doesn't make wiccan or buddhism or the discussion of those two subjects cult worthy. It's when someone says "I have the answers to your problems" and then says "here's some ideals to follow" that it starts sounding like a cult.
All in all, it's an idea that the anonymity failed. If they come forward, they can solve the fights. That's all I'm saying. If you disagree saying they just wanted to bring religion into our lives and tell people possible answers to solutions, then yes. That's how you see it, and there's a great chance you are correct.
I see someone who walked out of the blue, cryptically talked to my friends and then started talking about religion. That's suspect to me.
The only thing that stops me from believing them to be harmless is the cryptic talking as well as the anonymity.
If they had said "I'm bob, some person who doesn't want to reveal who he is. I'm going to speak the truth. Please don't bicker. Don't take the easy way out Amanda, that's what it seems to me. Hey lyns, you're a great person. Hey Richard, don't have a bleak outlook. Hey sarah, perhaps dating isn't for you. Hey Jeff, your friends need you" then I wouldn't be having this discussion.
That's about it. That's my stance Erin. I fully agree that yes, you see it as foolish, and yes, it is foolish on the levels set forth. But it's also the most hectic time of year, where emotions run high, and it has the foundation of being a cult or cult mentality. So yes, I'm going to continue to hound them for their name. If you want to continue to hound me for attacking some loser on the internet that you may or may not know, then know that it'll continue until I know their name.
And I'd do the same for you if someone came to you saying they had all the answers to your problems and their religious teachings could help, as well as their exalted game.
The thing is did they really offer any answers? did they say this is the way to live , or anything like that. they talked about Exalted and something else... And they said that that they interpreted it differently, and that they'd be more careful. See it would just be a name ...
To answer your question erin, while yes, you are right no one had to come, they sent out flyers. Basically the equivalent of the people downtown who fight against eating meat or being bad christians.
There was no forcing, I'll completely agree to that.
On the other hand, there were answers in the beginning. Nothing but answers, posed in an overtone of having more. Than we go to the site, and they talk about religion, after saying this religion is an answer.
The best way I can describe the problem is somewhat like me stepping on your toes (literally, not figuratively). Suspend some belief for this, because it is me trying to apply internet logic to real world logic.
So I step on your toes really hard while you are wearing open toe shoes (Sorry if you don't and they offend you, still, please suspend belief). Then I walk off, allowing you to follow me. I go into a van. You follow (again, you are angry, suspend belief) because I've still stepped on your toes, and said I'll only apologize if you follow me into the van.
Then I tell you that I won't be apologizing in the van. Well, someone calls me on it and I say "Okay, I'm sorry. But while you are here, and we're driving to a place you don't know about, want some candy?"
You don't know who I am. You don't know my intentions.
Now let's place you and I (no longer am I the stepper) in this situation. I'm sitting there, demanding his name and that he should tell me where he's going with this.
Then others in the car start saying "Wait, this seems like person X because of this proof." And then fighting breaks out.
But the whole time you are sitting there with a kit kat (again, if you aren't a fan of them or can't have chocolate, I'm sincerly sorry, I'm just choosing one of my favorites) saying that they're just giving us candy, and we shouldn't worry who this candy is from or where they are taking us. Also, you are in the fight about the identity of the person.
See, the above sounds really silly. I'll even say that. But what I'm trying to say is they did something negative to get attention. Then they said more answers lay on there website (see the comments on Sarah's blog as well as Richard, as well as Johanna's). Then we get there and well, they are saying there's only honesty (without giving there name) there. Then, they start posting religion, in order to gleam some information for people in this horrible time.
The saddest thing is that while on some level the original problem affected us only minimally, this problem has caused us to start wondering who our neighbour is. I mean, when David M Cline (That's me) is saying we're all paranoid... it's bad times (I'm really paranoid).
Just to say it now, when I add paranthesis, it's because I don't want to offend you. Really, I want you to be calm, because we're all better when we are calm... except the hulk, but that's just a poor taste joke in the middle of a post. I apologize for that.
As for pokaman matt... well, really, I don't know. I think I used it as something I'd place in the post that mirrors what I feel the Book of Three is doing. You know, taking in the naive and weak and then doing something questionable.
Oh, and pikachu fucking pisses me off. Not to mention tokapri.
Erin, I have to ask something of you now. I'm not pointing fingers... but you are somewhat taking this personal for someone who has nothing to do with the Book of Three. Especially since it all turns out that they are the ones who started it, and thus, causing you strife in dealing with myself and others (though in all honesty I am trying to calm you down and just explain my own ways.)
Blame all the communication courses i've taken, lets say they've made me sensitive to certain issues and quite passionate about freedom of speech, and expresion and being free from persection because of what is said. That's why I'm sticking up for these guys. Not really for what they said or didn't say, which we could debate until the cows come home... I've seen the stories, read the arguments heard the testimonials where this stuff happens... It's kind of a thing in the department...
And i don't blame them for what's happened. I don't give them that power. say in that truck with the Kit Kat (cause kit kat's do rock)assume the truck stops, we open the door and leave. We didn't get into the truck in the first place because we had to do something else, or one person has a cell phone and calls for help. This whole situation was created by a bunch of decisions, by many different people, not just by these prophets. We can't just blame them... First, It gives them a lot of power over us,which i don't think we want... and second, It isn't Just. it's a one dimensional solution to a multi-dimensional problem. And to be totally frank (as opposed to bob), Just past experience tells me something else would've triggered this...It always does. So honestly, those posts are a non-factor to me... Yes i did read the comments, cause i was curious and bored...avoiding studying for a bit... but realize their were only 3 posts made... maybe a thousand words tops...I find it hard to go after something because of 3 posts....Because i'm sure if were to look at any 3 posts on any blog we could find something to protest.
No I'm not one of them, but heck....
I'm Spartacus
"As for another of you, you re-write history fairly well.... no not really. You stirred this up, maybe to help hide from the scandal you caused or some petty thing I really don't know.... Don't really understand your logic. Haven't in the past year. You just can't seem to let go of someone you deem is yours, and you can't admit that you ever did anything wrong or hurt someone. To be totally honest, you remind me of a certain mutual enemy from a few years back. You have the same memory issue. Well whatever, remember that Wiccan creed: whatever you put forth will come back on you threefold. (i think that's wiccan, maybe just fantasy, never claimed to be an expert.) Karma will bit back...."
Erin,
I am going on the assumption that you mean me in this section of your post. If I am wrong I appologize; it is only an assumption as I said.
First off, I do not see how I stirred things up. If you will check posts/comments, the post on "The Book of Three"s web site asking for peace and an end to pain is the first time I got directly involved. If I have done something else that I cannot think of right now (very much possible as I can't think straight lately) then please point it out to me and I will gladly explain andmake amends for it.
I am not, in any way shape or form, using this or anything else to "help hide from the scandal you caused". Richard and I are still working though everything, and will continue to no matter what anyone says otherwise. We both want to remain friends; not just me holding on to "someone you deem is yours". If I wanted to do that I would never have broken up with him in the first place, or in the very least, gotten back together with him already. I fucked up, big time. I will not hide from that nor will I try to excuse myself from it. I hurt someone very dear to me and, although you may not believe me, that was not something I wanted to do. And I am being made accountable for it; by myself more than anyone else. Again, if you do not believe me, I am sorry but I am writing completely honestly.
As for re-writing history, again if I have it has been unintentional. All I have said has been from my view. It is not the truth, nor is it fact; only my version of it. The same goes for anyone else. Please feel free to express your own opinions and views; simply know that the information that you have recieved (unless it has come directly from Richard, Chris or myself) is through the grapevine and may not be as true as it looks/sounds.
This situation that goes on in this house, I would have liked to stay in this house. Not because I want to hide it, simply because I did not want it to become so over blown. I have seen what damage the grapevine can do if it is taken seriously and I did not want any more pain/anger to arise from this than was absolutely necessary. Again I will state that I am NOT trying to hide from my guilt nor am I trying to gain simpathy for what has happened. Not in the least. All I ask is for everyone to understand the facts before getting involved. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I know that many people are angry with me right now (and they have reason to be).
You are right about the Wiccan Rede. I am Wiccan and realize that I have broken the Rede. However, that is something that is between myself, my circle and the Lord and Lady. Unfortuantely Erin, this is an area in which you have no control nor say.
As for everything else, if you wish to speak more about this please feel free to email me (ember_3@hotmail.com) or come by and we will go for coffee. Enough has been said in the public forum of the internet, but I am interested in what you have to say. And, believe it or not, I would like to revive our friendship if that is possible.
-Sarah
"Blame all the communication courses i've taken, lets say they've made me sensitive to certain issues and quite passionate about freedom of speech, and expresion and being free from persection because of what is said."
That's all well and good. It somewhat goes along the lines that I too believe in. You can say whatever you want, whenever you want to whomever you want. And you are free from persecution. Completely. It makes complete sense.
That being said, if I walk up to you and yell dirty words at you, you are going to respond. And that's your right. Something Awful once had a full post essay where they explained that yes, furries have the right to dress up like animals and rub each other and post it all over the internet. Even though what they do is borderline beastiality, and only fuels a beastiality fantasy, it is still allowed. But it is also allowed for those at Somethingawful to write HORSECOCK in bright bold letters, explaining their hatred for a group that has found a loop hole in beasiality laws.
That's there argument. I'll let you find it. While this may seem like persecution, it really isn't based on your own logic. Because if Book of Three is allowed to storm into my life, or that of my friends and say "Your problems are these, and I'm going to judge you", then on the same note, I have just as much right to walk into their lives and say "Hey, screw you."
Persecution, I might add, would be something a lot worse than what we are doing, which is arguing, slander on some counts and yes, even assault. Persecution would be somehow destroying the site, censoring their work, killing or threatening them with bodily harm. A LOT worse. While you may have been taught different, persecution this is not. Also, they've been asked to stop this for the sake of alleviating the fear. Asked. Not forced. Anything else that is taken as persecution would mean Sarah, Amanda, Jeff, and Johanna have also been persecuted.
"That's why I'm sticking up for these guys. Not really for what they said or didn't say, which we could debate until the cows come home... I've seen the stories, read the arguments heard the testimonials where this stuff happens... It's kind of a thing in the department..."
See, I'm different in that respect, which is why I differ with you. Say for instance a KKK member is dancing outside my house. I'm more likely to run him off my lawn than say "Hey, this guys expressing his freedom of speech." Why? Because I'm a socialist.
I still believe he's free to say it. But the second he shows that he's going to cause problems of high proportions, then I'm going to get involved. I've said it before: This is a cult. And cults usually lead to kool-aid mixed with some poison unless you can find out their true intention.
Which they haven't said other than "We'll solve all your problems."
"And i don't blame them for what's happened. I don't give them that power. say in that truck with the Kit Kat (cause kit kat's do rock)assume the truck stops, we open the door and leave. We didn't get into the truck in the first place because we had to do something else, or one person has a cell phone and calls for help."
See, I do. Why? Because the problem, the incident that happened, DIDN'T AFFECT ANY OF US ANYMORE!
I'm sorry for yelling there, but it dawned on me earlier. Seriously... who was affected anymore than Richard, Chris' Ex Amanda, Sarah and Chris? Really, tell me. Were you Erin? Was Amanda? No. Was Jeff? Not really. Everyone had an opinion, but it wasn't keeping them up at night.
Well thank goodness that now we have something else to divide the group over. This time I was hoping someone would have sacrificed a cow or something so at least I could laugh and have some ribs. But no. Instead, we've got the Books of Three telling people how to live and everyone wondering and trying to figure out who it is... much better.
Up next on the books of three: Still nothing to say hey, we were wrong! And no one can say anything, because saying something against it is WRONG! Hooray!
As for doing nothing, I'm not lacking balls (really, just one, got hit when I was about 12). Yes that's right, me sitting there saying "Hey, some jackass just told me or my friends what to do. I'm not going to do anything" is not my response.
That's right, I'm staying IN the van. I'm finding out who did this on purpose. Why? Because I want to. Because I believe in a sense of justice. Giving peace a chance would be great, but then the book of three would just keep posting. More sites would go down, or stay up if they had "balls", and have to deal with exalted poems about how mean they are.
"First, It gives them a lot of power over us,which i don't think we want... and second, It isn't Just. it's a one dimensional solution to a multi-dimensional problem."
I'm going to have to disagree. Power would be just saying "do what you want". I mean, by not giving them their precious religious debates until they own up to who they are, I'm not going to stop. They can ignore me and ignore me all they want. I'll just get more rude, as said earlier.
As for if this would have happened anyway, the point is moot. Somehow Lyns and Chris, two people who don't talk, we're going to get in a fight about Sarah, when Lynsy said she was going to make up with Sarah prior to all this happening. Saying that it would happen no matter what is attempting to legitimize the ills that already happened.
Kinda like smashing my Olds last summer and saying "Well, I would have had to bought a new car in about 5 years. Oh well." Unfortunitly, according to economics, a dollar today is worth more tommorow.... so spending the money today lost me money.
The same thing applies here. Yes, Chris accused Lynsy, and yes, a huge kettle of fish came out of it. But couldn't I just say that if it never happened, then perhaps Lynsy and Sarah would get along, Chris would keep it to himself for the sake of Sarah, and then eventually it may come up if something happened between them, but rather would have had time to be forgotten? We can't tell. Why? Because none of us are prophets who can see the future. Otherwise, as one of my friends put it recently, you'd hear this a lot:
"FIRE! FUCKING FIRE! RUN!"
That's a misquote, the original is on Richard's blog. Going back to the lynsy - chris "it's going to happen" thing, well, based on that, it doesn't matter whether I try in this post or not. Eventually, one of our sides will clearly win the debate, and that person will be right no matter what. So we both may as well stop writing and agree that person will eventually win.
Someone who looked at me and Chris 4 years ago would say that a fight would break out again and again and we'd never get along.
Oh wait, one hasn't happened now for 2 years.
And as for the three posts comment, I'd go after something if it was 3 words. Because as you know, words have more power in this life than anything else. And the last thing I wanted to see was the all encompassing idea of "Oh, follow me, the anonymous exalted geek online. I'll lead you to happiness in a situation that doesn't concern any of you, and you've already dealt with. Oh, and I'm a prophet."
Erin: No! I'm Spartacus
hey sarah the next time you play wounded damsel how about making it a bit more believable and realistic
just a thought
I am not playing the "wounded damsel." And if you are reading it that way then either you do not know me or you are looking at it through biased eyes.I am only interested in the truth and in explaining myself to people I believe deserve it.
If you have other ideas or opinions about me that you wish to hold on to....be my guest. It will not hurt me in the least. Simple truth. The people to matter know; and if you dont, either step up and ask for an explination or turn away.
Your choice, not mine.
You turn away?? You are not worth running after.
you're not worth looking at...
Sweetie i know who you are and I've seen with my own eyes the damage you cause AND
I do not turn away i just can't be bothered to check the computer 24/7
like some people who obviously feel the world revolves around them
OOH that hurt ANONYMOUS....
did you think that one up your purile little self or did you have help from the damsel...
newsflash buddy you left high school years ago let it go...
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